so, i am trying to get my head around what the right position of elders should be when they come across crime is.. i think i get the issuess around clergy confidentiality - and how that might potentially be breached when they talk about it to other elders, let alone the police.. but if people are saying that elders - or clergy of another faith should report crime to the police when it is confessed to the, then where are the boundaries.. so if someone says they should report to police on a confessed example of child abuse, that's one thing.. how about reporting to police consensual sex between a 19year old and 15 year old - which is statutory rape in the uk.
how about criminal fraud if they come across it.
assault on a congregant?.
Anders,
Confidential = shared with 11 Elders now that is not to confidential in my book!
I just wonder how many of those 11 Elders just happened to share that little piece of confidential news with wifey. We could be talking as many as 22 now. Then onto the gossip mill. How sad for the victim.
so, i am trying to get my head around what the right position of elders should be when they come across crime is.. i think i get the issuess around clergy confidentiality - and how that might potentially be breached when they talk about it to other elders, let alone the police.. but if people are saying that elders - or clergy of another faith should report crime to the police when it is confessed to the, then where are the boundaries.. so if someone says they should report to police on a confessed example of child abuse, that's one thing.. how about reporting to police consensual sex between a 19year old and 15 year old - which is statutory rape in the uk.
how about criminal fraud if they come across it.
assault on a congregant?.
I have to say it again I much prefer the organization I am involved with we are Certified Adult Volunteers. We are required to attend a 6 to 8 hour training session per year to IDENTIFY emotional, physical and sexual abuse not to investigate or judge. We go through an extensive background check for all prior addresses. We identify and call authorities then let the people who are trained do their job. Also, a big part of our training includes if a girl comes to a male volunteer saying she has been abused by someone, HE is immediately to escort HER to a FEMALE volunteer and escuse himself. Never ever should a MALE be present when a female is discussing any form of sexual abuse. Totally INAPPROPRIATE! !
I realize the Elders are only following orders but this has got to STOP. Since learning the JW beliefs, if I see Elders handing out literature they get some much needed training. These are children that are being damaged.
All 3 of us are the same age (65). He is a convert. He has been a Witness for 20 years. I was clueless other then those people who rang my door bell and I gave them a hard time.
He gave me the book on Families and I had lots of questions but really tempered them trying to go slow and gentle. This man knew from our conversation over 5 years that I have fought for women and children's rights.
Saename,
For 5 years he was but then I asked the wrong question about his religious beliefs and I guess that is why we never discussed his beliefs. I just was NEVER told you do not question the beliefs of a JW. Rebels and Fighters questions everything. His final words to me were you fight everything you disagree with.
Never a JW here but totally enjoyed reading this thread. I wonder how many more have joined the ranks?
As I said before the "Elder" was the sweetest, kindest, nicest man I had ever met until he made this wordly Italian lady Roasted, Toasted, Deep Fried and BBQ.
the kingdom—100 years of freemasonic propaganda.
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new post on http://jwdoctrine.com/the-kingdom-100-years-of-freemasonic-propaganda/ now connects pinky rings ,freemasonry and symbolism .....
Russell was in fact from the research I have done was I believe a 32nd degree Master Mason. The original Watchtower mags did have the Crown and Cross on them. Current JWS are not permitted to belong to any of the Masonic organizations. My theory is that is a lot of money and time that could be going to the borg. Oh yeah the explanation I always got from the Elder but I tuned him out was something along the line about Babylon blah blah blah. So I would just join another group and do more Masonic stuff.
The pinky rings the GB wear are NOT Masonic rings. If you are interested go to Ebay look for Masonic rings male or female MHO they are all huge. I only wear the pins they are big enough (to big)!! But sorta required jewelry.
Zeb, you apparently collect not kill these things. I had four Adult "children" at my home this weekend and I was just about DONE with these characters they were apparently all around my swimming pool, on my counter top, in my family room, just every where on this one acre property. Then they took off on scavenger hunts through the neighborhood looking for more of them. Calling for Popsicles and bottled water because it was only 98 degrees in the shade. These are grown ADULTS. LOL
i just turned 41 today.
last year was my first celebration at 40. half my life is lost to this cult and i celebrate by almost losing my job.
one of the only things i have left.
Happy birthday oh I so wish I was 41 again! Never a JW here so we are having a big birthday party this evening because you share your birthday with my little princess she turns 2 today. Believe me she thinks she is a princess too. She wants a pony. Haha I do believe there will be a lot of stuffed ponies.
this case has to be talked about by ever awake jw every apostate everyone.
this case because they refuse to hand over documents the court already knows they have because they handed them over before but heavily redacted, is the icing on the cake!
this case shows thier evil plain and simple.
OrphanCrow,
I believe you have it the nail on the head.
the anti gay video that watchtower recently produced has now had over 1,000,000 views.
of those who selected to like or dislike the video, over 92% disliked it.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnk52bu92oe.
Cofty,
5 - Nowhere is the girl encouraged to tell her friend anything negative about her lesbian parents.
Obviously you do not know how kids function ANYTHING that mom said in that entire conversation is now repeatable on the playground. She will repeat the entire conversation. Disgusting!
Try standing in the same room with a kid talking to your spouse and let a 4 letter word slip out, guess who has just added a new word to their dictionary.
